Angelo Hyder Interview: "This may be Danny Green's last fight"

Angelo Hyder Interview: "This may be Danny Green's last fight"
By Daniel Smart, Doghouse Boxing (Oct 22, 2012)

Angelo Hyder (Right)
Famed Australian boxer trainer Angelo Hyder is well known to boxing fans. In this expansive interview, Hyder discusses his fighter Danny Green’s upcoming battle with former heavyweight Shane Cameron, Vic Darchinyan’s recent win over Luis Del Valle, and the fallout of Antonio Tarver’s recent positive drug test. Enjoy.

DANIEL SMART: Hi, this is Daniel Smart from I’m here with Danny Green and Vic Darchinyan trainer, Angelo Hyder. Angelo, how are you today, mate?

ANGELO HYDER: Pretty good thanks, mate.

DANIEL SMART: That’s the way. Listen mate, we’ll get stuck straight into it. Look, you’re probably Australia’s best trainer. Certainly, Australia’s most well known.

ANGELO HYDER: [Johnny] Lewis is the best, mate. I can’t take that hat away from my mate, Johnny. He’s the number one.

DANIEL SMART: Oh okay, no worries. Well yeah, that’s true, I suppose, definitely. Yeah, look, basically just going to touch on your, I guess, star pupil’s preparation, Danny Green, coming up to his November fight with Shane Cameron from New Zealand for the IBO cruiserweight title, mate. How’s preparations going there, Ang?

ANGELO HYDER: They’re going good mate. Just wish Greeny was a lot younger, mate. It really – it’s breaking my heart knowing that, you know, this may be his last fight or he’s coming very close to the end when it seems to me that he’s just getting better and better and better. And everything we’ve been working on over an amount of years, when you restart a preparation, he’s just the type of bloke – he starts off from where he left off. It’s like you had a couple of days off and you’re going again. It’s crazy.

DANIEL SMART: Yeah. I guess what I sort of really want to know, and a lot of the fans want to know, after his last fight against light-heavy Danny Santiago from the States, what was the reasoning for Danny moving back up to cruiserweight again?

ANGELO HYDER: Mate, he busted his arse to try and get down to light heavyweight and he struggled to get to the weight that he got to. He said, mate, I can’t make the light heavyweight limit to fight for the titles. You’re in no man’s land in certain ways, and then [Antonio] Tarver got caught on drugs and the IBO said, listen, you’re the last reigning champion of the title. You know, you’re the first fighter that deserves to fight for the title, which is good to see that people don’t forget you and show you a bit of respect. So, Greeny said, well listen, you know, I’ve been promising – looking for a crack at Cameron. He just came off a fantastic win of Monte Barrett, you can’t do better than that. The deal, sort of, was there and it just all sort of fell into place without too much working. Mate, where Greeny’s at now, he don’t need too many headaches. He just wants to get in, fight blokes that are going to put on – that’s going to be a good fight. And mate, this is a very dangerous fight for him. So, it just fell together, to be honest.

DANIEL SMART: That’s fair enough. And just on your point before, Angelo, just in regards to Greeny probably weight-wise being stuck in between a rock and a hard place. If he’s finding it hard to get down to light-heavy, it doesn’t seem he carries the weight for a cruiser that well either. Would that be a fair assessment?

ANGELO HYDER: Mate, it’s the biggest joke in boxing. Like, you go down to the lighter weights and there’s a kilo between them.

DANIEL SMART: Yeah, exactly.

ANGELO HYDER: And you get to 79 kilos and the next minute, you know, you’re going from 79 to bloody 91. It’s ridiculous. Now, if cruiserweight was still how it was, the 86, it’d be perfect. Greeny’d be perfect.

DANIEL SMART: Yeah, yeah. Now, you know, going up in those heavier weights, it just appears to me at light-heavy he probably struggles to make that weight, and cruiserweight it appears he carries a bit too much into the ring. It’s obviously not easy for him and he’s obviously had a crack at both weights and acquitted himself quite well, there’s no doubt about that. He’s won titles in both of those divisions. So look, bloody hats off to him, mate, he’s a wonderful fighter and obviously I’ve been a fan of Danny’s for God knows how long now. So, hopefully, he can get the job done over Shane Cameron coming up in November in Melbourne, guys. If you can’t get to the fight, order the fight on Main Event pay-per-view, and support a fantastic Australian boxer. Moving on now, Ang, you obviously had Vic Darchinyan in your stable as well. What was your assessment of his recent fight with the Puerto Rican kid, Luis Orlando Del Valle?

ANGELO HYDER: Mate, it was an absolute fantastic effort. You know, he was paying up to $3.20 as the underdog. A lot of my mates got on him at $2.65 in a two-horse race for a win. Luis Del Valle said to the promoter “I don’t see any possible way that Darchinyan can win the fight. So you know, this bloke was Felix Trinidad, he’s going on about a better pedigree than Vic, I’m from Puerto Rico, Felix Trinidad, all this sort of stuff. And mate, everybody in the whole boxing world thought that he was actually going to beat Vic. It was, actually, a huge upset over there.

DANIEL SMART: Are you serious?

ANGELO HYDER: Yeah, it was mate. You know, how do you get $2.65 in a two-horse race? But the thing is, look, with Danny – with fighters out there, you see fantastic performances and other times, you know, you see other lesser performances. But what happens is, it’s not like a sport like football where you can have a couple of bad games, or golf, and you’re out in the first round and you win the tournament. In boxing, if everything doesn’t line up on that minute and that hour or on that day, if you’re 10 per cent off at that level, mate, you can get knocked out.

DANIEL SMART: Yeah, that’s exactly right, mate.

ANGELO HYDER: Going back to Greeny and that weight, just quickly with [Krzysztof] Wlodarczyk, he had Wlodarczyk in the fifth round, but he wasn’t big and strong enough bloke to put him away. At light heavyweight, Greeny would have knocked him out. Greeny’s never not knocked anyone out in his career when he’s fit.

DANIEL SMART: Yeah, that’s right, mate. And just quickly going back to that, Ang, look, at the end of the day – and you could quite obviously see – Greeny had won pretty much every round up until that nine, 10 round mark. And you could probably see, maybe around round eight you could tell he was just sort of starting to take the foot off the pedal a little bit.

ANGELO HYDER: What happened is, Danny got his nose broken badly in about round nine.

DANIEL SMART: Oh righto.

ANGELO HYDER: Two rounds, and he was swallowing that much blood he couldn’t breathe. If you watch the tape again, you’ll see Greeny holding Wlodarczyk, put his head over his shoulder, blow his nose and just big chunks of blood was blowing out of his nose.

DANIEL SMART: Oh, I actually didn’t see that.

ANGELO HYDER: Yeah. If you watch the corner, I’m trying to stop it and he’s spitting. Watch the replay, he’s coughing chunks, big, big chunks of blood up. He couldn’t breathe and it took it out of him straight up.

DANIEL SMART: Yeah, okay, okay. Well, what was your, sort of, explanation for the Tarver fight, because he looked pretty tired around about five and six too didn’t he?

ANGELO HYDER: He looked tired earlier than that, mate, but we’re not making excuses.

DANIEL SMART: Yeah, that’s right. And I’m pretty sure Greeny’s not the sort of guy to obviously make excuses as well. But look, just back onto Vic Darchinyan, he dismantled that kid, and I find it absolutely ludicrous to think that Del Valle went in as a favourite over in the United States. That’s shocking. The guy what, 16 and 0 and he’s never really fought anybody of note and he steps in with Vic Darchinyan and he’s favourite. I just find that bizarre.

ANGELO HYDER: Oh mate, it was – I told everyone I knew bet your house on this one, this is a special. You ain’t going to get odds like this again.

DANIEL SMART: Yeah, absolutely. And so, what’s next for Vic, Angelo? Have you sort of sat down and sort of decided where you are going to go next or what’s the story, mate?

ANGELO HYDER: It’s with his manager, I keep right out of it as best I can. I’ve got enough headaches as it is. And mate, Elias [Nasser] is the best judge in the business. Vic’s the type of bloke, he turns up, he says, mate, I’m here to knock you out, I’m not here to look fuckin’ fancy and carrying on. I’m going to knock you out.

DANIEL SMART: Yeah, he loves it, doesn’t he?

ANGELO HYDER: So, you know, that’s why they love Vic. Like, Vic says, give me a Filipino or Mexican any day. They come to fight. Don’t give me these runners, I’ve been fighting blokes that run. I’m here to fight, I want to fight. I want to entertain the people.

DANIEL SMART: Yeah. And look, I know from, obviously, certain circles and people I’ve spoken to around the traps, I know he desperately wants another crack at [Abner] Mares. Would you reckon that would eventuate at some stage?

ANGELO HYDER: It could. Mate, he wants anyone that’s going to be exciting. He does want Mares, he wants Donaire.

DANIEL SMART: I reckon he beat him that first time and that’s just my opinion.

ANGELO HYDER: Well, most people think that. Unfortunately mate, he didn’t get it and that was ridiculous, the referee allowing those low blows.

DANIEL SMART: Yeah, I know. It’s unbelievable. And look, I thought Vic won it, you know, pretty convincingly, but anyway, that’s another story. We’re not judges at the end of the day are we, so – yeah look, obviously, look, just for our American audiences, Angelo, look, I know you’ve probably got a bit of exposure over there, but just, obviously again for our American audiences, can you tell us where you started in boxing and how you got into it?

ANGELO HYDER: Well mate, I started boxing – because where I played – I was in Victoria like you mate. It was pretty rough and tough down in the country where I played footy and…

DANIEL SMART: Whereabouts are you from, Ang?

ANGELO HYDER: I’m from Nyora down South Gippsland.

DANIEL SMART: Oh righto, yeah, okay.

ANGELO HYDER: And mate – and one of my mates was a boxer and he said, you better come down here and sharpen your skills up. I got down there and loved it. I just about had a fight, then I joined the army. Fighting in the army, I fought in my unit, fought up in Queensland. Won the Golden Gloves up there. And then, mate, I got glandular fever, I was going to go pro when I got out. Got glandular fever and I could never get fit again. Every time I try and train hard it ran me down, and then I just fell into starting to train Marc Bargero and Bob Mirovic and Guy Waters and I was probably a lot better at that than – I always had a passion for helping people. I was a professional coach at 24 and coached first grade in my home town.


ANGELO HYDER: So, I always had a passion to help people, so I just, sort of, fell into training blokes and then it went from there, and we couldn’t get the blokes fights, so me and Marco built a gym in his backyard of his dad’s house and said, we’re going to – I said, mate, we’re going to start promoting. We started promoting.

DANIEL SMART: Fantastic.

ANGELO HYDER: And I started – ended up partners with Jeff Fenech and we done that for a lot of years and then Jeff retired at the time and I moved on and kept going and…

DANIEL SMART: The rest is history.

ANGELO HYDER: …the rest is bloody history.

DANIEL SMART: Yeah. So you did mention you obviously worked a lot with Jeff. Who would you regard as the biggest influence on your training career?

ANGELO HYDER: Mate, Jeff’s obviously, you know, a very clever bloke and, you know, he’s been there and done it. But Johnny Lewis. I always say Johnny’s got the skills that I don’t have. He’s one of the best mentors in every way I’ve ever met and I just love, absolutely love, every minute of the day that I spend with Johnny, no matter what it’s doing. When I was in the army I had a trainer called Phil Ragonesi(*) who only trains amateurs. He just had a fantastic style that he learned off, I think, a bloke called Jack Rutkowski(*) and Robbie Peden, your mate’s father, Phil, they trained together and they both learned that style off Jack with Robbie’s dad and that similar style.


ANGELO HYDER: So, that style was probably one of the biggest influences early on that I had, and then, you know, probably, Jeff and Johnny’s the complete opposite. That was more skill and Jeff’s and Johnny’s, you know, aggression.


ANGELO HYDER: As professionals, has probably been a very big influence.

DANIEL SMART: Yeah. Well look, certainly, from where you’ve come from, Angelo, you’ve obviously achieved pretty remarkable things, you know, especially with Danny’s career and his KO of Roy Jones Jr in round one and, you know, back a few years ago, I remember that fight. I actually flew up to Sydney for that one.

ANGELO HYDER: Do you know one of Danny’s biggest wins, mate, talking about big blokes was BJ Flores.

DANIEL SMART: BJ Flores, yeah. Look, he’s a guy that – I spoke to him on ATG Radio boxing show based out of Vegas and when I was doing some corresponding work there. And he seems to be having trouble getting fights over there. For one reason or another, he seems to be – and even in Europe, you know, the cruiserweight division is very much based in Europe and a lot of their fighters are based there. Even over there he seems to be having trouble getting opponents. Is that a bit of a – I guess, can we add that to his talent or what’s your opinion on the guy?

ANGELO HYDER: You know, it’s all about money. Like, we’ve got Danny Green in West Australia, there’s hardly any boxing. He puts his money where his mouth his. He puts his arse on the line every time he fights. Pays big money and puts on big fights. I mean, not many people are prepared to do that. Flores is with Don King, Don’s got plenty of money. Don’s also got, you know, the WBA champion. He’s got them both. So why doesn’t he stick him in?

DANIEL SMART: Yeah. Danny’s had some great moments inside the ring and he fought a beautiful fight that night too. He was very strategic. Very strategic fight and you could tell there was a lot of planning that went into that. So well done to both of you.

ANGELO HYDER: I’ve got to wrap it up, mate.

DANIEL SMART: Yeah, that’s fine. Thanks for your time, Ang, I really appreciate it, mate. I know you’re flat out and you’re pretty busy with Danny’s preparations and stuff like that, so mate, I appreciate your time. I’m a big fan of your work, a big fan of Danny’s and you’re a credit to Australian boxing, mate, and again, thank you for your time.

ANGELO HYDER: Ring me any time, mate, get hold of me whenever you need.

DANIEL SMART: Righto, good on you. Thank you, Ang, I appreciate it, have a good day.



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